Mike, JamesI'm going to state the obvious - and probably what many of the other regulars are thinking. Capgemini, ACN etc are massive organisations, employing thousands of people; do you think for one moment that are ALL from Oxbridge? Nonsense. Do they all have Firsts? No.So why do they get the job and you struggle.Confidence. They don't walk around apologising for their degree, that they didn't go to Oxbridge, don't know the sister of the CEO of Accenture etc. You both talk like you are failiures and that is how you will be perceived. Unless you are applying to MBB, a 2:1 is a 2:1 - it's one line on your CV and thereafter you have to distinguish yourself, project a positive, confident, can-do, go-get attitute and show you are a positive person who would blend into a project team and get on with it, not sit around wringing your hands because someone with a 2:2 in History from Cambridge is sitting next to you and you think they are superior. Ah yes, you both say, what about the credit crunch, what about the competition? News flash - MC, FTSE100 etc no longer attracts the very brightest, and with IB now non-existent, neither does that. Where does everyone want to work? Google, Microsoft, Apple, Innocent Drinks, the list goes on - companies people feel are making a positive contribution to their lives personally. Even MBB has lost some of its lustre and banking will never be the same. The leading lights of the FTSE are now the dinosaurs of yesterday. So guess what, they need bright, motivated, committed people who have thought it through and want to work there and feel THEY ARE GOOD ENOUGH. To misquote Kennedy, ask not what you can do for IBM, ask waht IBM can do for you.