This might sound like a silly question to many. But to a grad looking to get in to the workforce, it isn't so clear. Basically my question as mentioned above is whether the EA and TI practices at Deloitte considered mgmt consulting or are they just considered IT consultants.Thanks for the answers.

Deloitte stress that EA is not about implementation, but rather business process transformation. They certainly don't consider themselves IT consultants.

What difference does it make?

Try pulling a bird with 'I am an IT consultant' and see where it gets you. You will be lucky to get to 1st base.Management consulting on the other hand.....

The whole of Deloitte Consulting is Management Consulting - it is what makes them different from the Accentures of this world.

The whole of Deloitte Consulting except for EA and TI.S, O and HC won't give them the time of day for good reason - they're not management consultants.

HC turning up their nose at TI? You are having a laugh! In Deloitte, the rank is as follows: S, TI, O, EA, HC. At least the entry level requirements, remuneration, time at each grade and exit options suggest this. Most in O dont want to be in TI and most in TI dont want to be in O but HC and EA are the groups that do not get time of day.Bottom line, in every consultants contract, it states that they are hired as a management consultant.

It's like that at Accenture. People in MCIM look down on those in SI. It makes for an interesting dynamic on projects when 2 or 3 MCIM people handle the business aspects of the project (i.e., change management, strategy, etc.) and work with 20 SI people...

In which universe are you living DC II? TI are the grunts - literally half without degrees and the other half with Desmonds from Hull. EA may be full of people for whom Peoplesoft 9.0 is the most exciting thing they can conceptualise, but they at least place a minimum standard on hiring. That is reflected in billing rates, as you should know if you really work at DC.

True Blue DC - I really do know the Firm. EA used to be the place to be in 2000 - 2005. Remember the 'Deloitte run SAP' ad campaign. Then all of a sudden they lost a load of work, sacked quite a few practioners (that is another word that lets you know I am a DCer).Remember Elkington and Dutt! Nowadays there are more experienced hires in EA and most of them ... how do I say this ... speak English as a second language! Some even as a third language!Like I said in my post TI and EA debate over who is the techie and who is the management consultant but PeopleSoft9.0 is not management consulting.Could you name one person in TI with a desmond let alone without a degree? If so please do. Must be an experienced hire? No way a grad comes in with a 2:2. Besides which, a 2:1 and above does not make you a management consultant anyway.Lets stop the bickering, the guys at Accenture are enjoying this and we all know, they are the IT consultants. Like I said before, all DC staff have management consultant on their contract. All bar none!

In reply to True Blue DC - I'll be entering TI as a grad this Sept and I can assure you I don't have a desmond from Hull, not do I suspect will any of my fellow grad starters. If you could identify yourself before I start work so I don't have the misfortune of bumping into such an egotistical individual such as yourself then it'd be much appreciated.

People who work for Deloitte are the ones that couldn't get into Accenture.

This must have been a troll.

Deloitte peeps could not get in Accenture? Yea right. Cos the Accenture partners get paid more, dont they? Go write a functional spec or even better a technical spec, bu**er up the implementation and then roll on a team of analysts to do the testing.

I am working on a project where we (DC) are literally doing all of the above and have been doing so for nearly two years so don't get precious guys.

Wait! You mean we bu**er up implementation too! Dammit! It must be an EA project. Lol...

Given that the client is suing us, yes, you could say that we're bu**ering up implementation on an EDS-scale.

Is this really so hard? ACN has SI, DC has TI - there's a reason they have such similar names, they're competing for the same work.For purposes of pigeonholing, even the briefest read of DC's website and marketing materials shows that TI explicitly refers to itself as IT consulting. EA positions itself as some kind of bridge, but given that there's a whole practice devoted to Operations consulting, that only leaves the IT space where it realistically fits.

Interesting debate. I start at Deloitte in TI in September and am really looking forward to it.I have to admit that at first I had this concern too. However I have some good chats with a friend from uni who works in TI and it put my mind at rest.From what I gather TI is more wide ranging in the work undertaken than EA. From what my friend told me if you go into EA you will primarily be specialising quite early on in a SAP program etc. Therefore potentially more pidgeon holed than going into TI where the range of work undertaken seems to have more scope.Another worry is future options if you decide to leave. My opinion is not to worry - live life for now and get on with it!! Personally (and I hope this doesn't sound crass) is that I could undertake any role that I want. I am intelligent and work hard, so why worry about not being able to do something in the future.Now the most important point raised in the debate so far:"Try pulling a bird with 'I am an IT consultant' and see where it gets you. You will be lucky to get to 1st base.Management consulting on the other hand....."tut tut tut, you lack flair my friend.Just tell girls you're a pilot or something!

How about not being ugly and being able to hold a conversation in the first place?

Not being ugly? Now your just calling names. Lol. This thread has been fun.

EA has elements of business process transformation, true, but that is a tiny minority of the work. The Operations practice are the primary group delivering those services to clients. To say that a group called Enterprise "APPLICATIONS" isn't IT consulting is plain delusional.This also explains why EA have such a terrible reputation for designing solutions around whatever is convenient for SAP and Oracle rather than around the client's business needs and economic interests.Until we stop being so f*cking factional, accept that we are implementation contractors not consultants, and get on with it, DC is going to continue going down the pan.

Well said Seagull!!