I have been approached by a headhunter for a Director role in EY but my grapevine tells me they are not winning new business. This is apparently worst in Financial Services. Any inside information on this?

Surely if you are a director you should be confident you can generate business yourself?

Hasn't this thread been done before?

Why doesn't everyone at E&Y BAS join PA BOP and vice versa and be done with. At least it will give them something else to moan about, although there won't be any discernable difference for the rest of us.

Dear Anon,No one - even someone as talented and well connected as I am can make a silk purse from a sows ear. I want to know:- whether there is an active client base, - a portfolio of winning propositions - people who can be realistically put forward to deliver.- A management team with the enthusiasm and knowledge to generate noise in the market.If I wanted to keep on pushing water up hill I would not be looking to move

'Silk purse from a sow's ear', 'push water up hill'. Just what the consulting world needs, another David Brent.

Things in BAS are going from bad to worse. Particularly badly affected is F&PM, which is run by a load of failed IBM staff. They've brought their management style with them from there too, with the result that staff attrition rates are running at 25% in some areas.Business is also bad, with a lot of people not chargeable (moreso an FS problem), and so redundancies have become a regular featureBAS was born 3 or 4 years ago, with a huge fanfare but it really hasnt lived up to expectations

i am sorry - I must be the only consultant in the UK to use these phrases. Not posh enough perhaps

Don’t overlook the fact that many of the Big 4 Accounting firms are very much an old boys network. If you don’t know how to use the right knife and fork, you’re not going to fit in

I'm not sure what basIL has been smoking or who he works for, but it certainly isn't EY.F&PM has plenty of work, and if anything, is short of people right now. Turnover is low (nothing like the 25% cited above) and those who are leaving are generally leaving for other parts of the firm rather than external jobs. As far as I know, there have been no redundancies -- anyone who has left has either done so of their own accord, or because there was a performance issue that could not be resolved.As a director, the best thing to do is to come and have a chat with the partners and ask them about their business plan, pipeline, and prospects. These are the people you will be working with day-in and day-out, and these are your potential partners if you "make the grade". At Director level, I would expect that you can have a frank conversation and read between the lines to understand the real situation facing EY. On the basis of that, you can make your decision.A first conversation doesn't cost anything -- why don't you do that and decide for yourself?

To set the record straight on a few points.There are two BAS Groups in EY (FS and London). FS BAS has been around for sometime and focuses ONLY on financial services. London BAS (despite the odd name, I agree) covers all other industry groups. London BAS is the newer group headed by Varley, has a big focus on Government, but increasingly in Consumer Products and Utilities.I am in London BAS. I will not and cannot comment on FS BAS since I know nothing about them and we dont work with them at all. They are a completely different part of the firm with different leadership and a very different culture.Anyway, London BAS is pretty much oversold. There is nobody on the bench. On top of this, it recorded the highest growth of any part of EY over the last year, way ahead of plan. Say what you will (and I was sceptical on joining after having spent a decade in consulting for a big firm), London BAS is doing very well and the outlook is looking healthy.Like I say, I can't comment on FS BAS.

Crikey! BOP and BAS look like wonderful places to work - they both seem to be staffed with whinging fools

remember that you are not able to criticise BAS because they advertise and Mars is trying to work with them

To the previous poster:Thats absolute bullsh*t and this very thread proves it.

Tony judging by previous form - isn't it about time you removed this thread

Wow !! Seeing that BAS had such a wonderful year, why were our payrises so sh*t?And delayed to the very last minute to add insult to injury?

On Tuesday 14 October 2008, the European Commission cleared the planned acquisition by Capgemini S.A. of France of Dutch IT service supplier Getronics PinkRoccade Business Application Services B.V. (BAS).Cue pacmanesque game over muzak!