I want to spend 16K on a car, it needs to do about 80k miles so should have less than about 50k on clock when i get it, i don't want german, must have 4 seats,what should i get? saab, alfa? other?

Alfa - I had a 147 about 5 years ago - bought it as my 1st car - looked beautiful, but iof anything can break on it, it will. Promised myself I would never buy another Alfa when I sold it 2 years later......6 months ago fell in love with the Alfa GT - bought it, regretting that decision already - been back to garages twice. I think the design team at Alfa are all ex ferarri, and the engine team are all ex Skoda. Useless.

Why not german?German or Japanese are the most reliable by far. Why not look at What Car's website?

BMW M3/M5 all the way....

Typical consultant, listens to the scope and then produces something blatently contradicting it.

i don't want german because everyone has a beemer it seems - soooo boring

Ford Galaxy with the rear seats folded down for extra room in the boot

Audi, Mercedes, VW?You don't want a BMW because "everyone else has one"? Sounds like a sensible reason for writing off an entire country's automotive output!

BMW = sales rep or estate agent

It has just got to be a Skoda.VW / Audi engineering, Czech style - what better way to show you are a canny operator?

does it have a heated rear windscreen to keep your hands warm during the winter when you have to push-start it?

If you don't want to go German or Japanese, you should take a look at a Saab. My mate picked up a 9-3 not too long ago and i was quite impressed.

Bloody hell I would be impressed too if I saw someone pick up a Saab - cars are really heavy!