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Up or out...or what?

 
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#0 Up or out...or what?
 
Curious
23.02.6 00:00
 
Has anyone out there experienced the "out" part in an up or out model? Do the companies make you redundant, or do they have some other way to make sure you leave?
 
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#0 Re: Up or out...or what?
 
logan
23.02.6 00:00
 
Forced exits are getting rarer - too much potential for lawsuits. The only place I've worked that admitted actively operating up or out had a policy of helping people find a new job, set up their own business, etc. In reality, it worked like most other places - people who the managing partner wanted shot of were managed out of any client facing work or just bullied out.
 
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#0 I beg to differ
 
jonathan
24.02.6 00:00
 
I work at accenture and I have seen the effects of the 'out' in action. Recently a consultant that was performing in line with 70% of the Accenture model was 'councilled out' for 'underperformance'. Actually he must have irritated the wrong senior partner who decided to give him the boot - nonetheless they had such a bad case against the poor chap that they tried to offer 100% salary as compensation - which is a lot for a junior consultant - not to get sued. the companies love you when your hot - and burn you when your not.
 
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#0 Re: Up or out...or what?
 
F.
24.02.6 00:00
 
I was around PwC through two separate rounds of the 'out'. Both called voluntary severance, both over-subscribed. The package would obviously depend on your length of service, but in both cases it included pay in lieu of notice, which is not bad with senior people on three or six months notice. Plus third party careeer advice, opportunities to buy company cars and PCs and the option to stop customer facing work immediately, while you think about the offer, for up to a month. Pretty generous terms, I thought, and plenty of people were interested in using it to fund a career change or move: often one planned anyway. The general view was that if the firm treats people decently, there would be a good chance that they go off, get high powered jobs and become source of future revenue. Of course, to qualify for these you have to have a good reputation and credible. Others were managed out which is never a good experience for anyone. F.
 
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ACN
25.02.6 00:00
 
Parts of ACN (mainly telcos) are currently going thru redndancie rounds. Big payouts to keep quiet
 
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#0 Re: Re: Re: Up or out...or what?
 
anon
28.02.6 00:00
 
ACN are doing it across a number of areas right now. They are downsizing without wanting to have a redunancy process. As the previous person noted - reasonable pay offs (which can be negotiated up) to keep people happy and away from employment lawyers.
 
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