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anon
18.02.9 00:00
 
Hi, Is it possible to get into consultancy, banking or big 4 graduate scheme without having A levels? I don’t have A levels but I do have a 1st in a business & IT degree from a mid range university. I also have completed my first level of CIMA – but all the application forms ask for A levels, which is a problem for me.Any advice would be most welcomed.
 
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Reality cheque
18.02.9 00:00
 
Getting in with a degree from a mid-range university is difficult even in good circumstances; applying with a poor degree and no A-levels is a waste of time and energy
 
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anon
18.02.9 00:00
 
even if I have passed my CIMA levels and am progressing into the final stage.I would think CIMA is a much harder and valuable qualification to get...I should also mention that I was able to get into a consulting firm for a placement...would this help, or is it a waste of time?
 
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Mars A Day
18.02.9 00:00
 
Have to be cruel to be kind OP: you stand little chance as is of getting into MC, especially in the current environment. You can get there, but you'll need to think both longer term, and more laterally. Think of it as training to be an MC if it makes you feel better.BankingForget banking for now: it's even harder to get into than MC, but once the brain drain gets firmly underway, as the get rich now bonus schedmes will be dead and risk heavily curtailed, they'll be taking anyone who can add up and subtract and you'll be in - but you won't want to because it will no longer get you laid. Or rich.MCThink longer term. At present I suspect you have little real experience to bring to your CV, and show no real affinity with MC. Simply wanting to be one is not enough (or rarely is). Finishing your CIMA would be a start - this will give you something with which to move closer to your goal. Chances are you'll need to find yourself a position in an accounting firm first, get some experience, and then you could look to segue into more business orientated parts of the firm. It's then a hop into fs consulting firms, as the market will be stronger then, hiring will have returned, and you can get in on the qualified and some real business experience ticket.Lateral.Those application forms will make it impossible for you: if you leave any box blank you'll be screened out. So get thyself onto the internet and look for smaller consulting firms which which you could apply in the CV route. Remind yourself - and this is quite true - that after a few projects and a couple of years of experience - provided you don't prang the Partner's jag or make the mistake of losing a memory stick (sorry PAers) no one will care what A levels you took or didn't take. Frankly by that point you won't care either.Big 4 graduate schemeYou have an average degree (sorry but 1st or no, its in business and IT in a mid range uni - may as well be 'media studies' or 'theory of Eastenders - An Ontology of the appeal of The Beckhams), and no A levels. Average enough and you need to excel somewhere somehow in your professional life to compensate and scale the giddy heights: joining a Big 4 grad scheme is like saying 'I'm an Average/Auditor and PROUD'. You COULD - just a suggestion mind you - have a mind of your own and not swallow ALL the twaddle your careers adviser and the glossy brochures have fed you, and make you own mind up about what INTERESTS you and go find something to do in that, regardless of what profession it is, how well it is paid/not paid, or what the bragging rights are down the pub. No application form needed for some maturity and independent thinking needed.
 
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spectator
18.02.9 00:00
 
ErJoining the Big Four is decidedly NOT average.Thats all
 
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Mars A Day
18.02.9 00:00
 
Being a Big 4 consultant is not average, Spectator, but joining Big 4 IS; but no more or less so that joining ACN, IBM, or Unilever for that matter - it's not the firm which makes you, it's what you make of yourself when you get there.
 
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Din
18.02.9 00:00
 
CIMA (and ACA, ACCA, etc.) are not significant academic achievements though - and that's the foundation which is lacking from your present CV. A house built on dodgy foundations will fall in a strong wind.
 
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anon
18.02.9 00:00
 
"A house built on dodgy foundations will fall in a strong wind."Well I dont believe this is true - I didn't get A levels but have worked hard to get a degree and progress start to progress towards finance and accounting. Due the above I have been offered a place at imperial college to do masters in finance and accounting (not bad). I have also worked at a top consulting firm as a placement student for 15 months, and was voted the best in my peer group...but due to my A levels I can't get into big 4 etc....
 
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paul
18.02.9 00:00
 
din,have you done CIMA, ACA, etc?
 
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anon
18.02.9 00:00
 
thanks for the advice Mars a Day...Considering my background, would it be acceptable if I started out in IT (got an offer from good company) and then moved into finance/consulting after completing my CIMA quals?or should i take the place offered at imperial college and get an MA?thanks in advance...
 
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ZB
18.02.9 00:00
 
"but due to my A levels I can't get into big 4 etc...."QED, no?It seems even the process-mongers have standards -- unbelievable!
 
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Din
18.02.9 00:00
 
Paul - I have done ACA and CFA to L2. Though professional qualifications require some commitment to knuckle down to the exams, anybody who has enough spare time and money can gain them. The content and standard required to pass is closer to that of GCSEs than A-levels or IB. Unless you walk out of your professional qualification with an award for the highest marks in the country, there is nothing to distinguish your performance from that of the lowest performers. Employers are very used to this and hence put little weight on these qualifications other than a) for legal compliance purposes or b) for face validity to clients; they support, but do not replace academic qualifications or other indicators of intellectual calibre.
 
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Casio
19.02.9 00:00
 
15 months at a top consulting firm and voted top of your peer group? Surely you're batting awaly offers, at least from this 'top consulting firm'?BTW, agree that professional quals are all application and very little inspiration.
 
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Jetlag
19.02.9 00:00
 
At this point in your career/experience and given the current economic situation it will be difficult but to back up Mars' comments, 2 of the best consultants I know (Mngr & SC) at my Big4 don't have degrees.... lots of experience and incredibly capable and 'popular' with clients. Do a good job and nobody cares about your educational background.
 
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fox
19.02.9 00:00
 
To the original poster, here's my advice for what it's worth.Obviously, the further you get from A-Levels (ie, degree, masters, experience) the less A-Levels (or lack of them) will matter.Do the masters at a top uni, do it well, and leave no one in doubt as to your academic ability (as they would no doubt be in, given weak degree and no a-levels).When you've done this, use your CIMA qual and work in the most commercial role (ie not audit) of a the biggest and respected company you can find in an industry that interests you. After a couple of years, if you're still keen on consulting (even though it's quite plausible you'd be making more money, working shorter hours and ejoying your existing job), apply to some consulting firms. Why won't your placement firm offer you a job?
 
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