Hi,I'm a Management Consulting manager of Accenture (M2) and I've been offered for a role in IBM GBS UK.I'm still waiting the final offer in terms of salary, role, ecc.What do you think should be the exact role and salary that they should propose, considering my current role in Accenture?I'm currently not working in UK, what is the typical salary for a M2 Accenture in UK?Many thanks in advance

Hi,As an employee of the former - who is on their way out I can tell you with conviction that it is not a great time to join IBM. I was thinking of starting a thread, discussing the mass exodus that is occurring within IBM.Accenture frequently poaching the top talent and my own personal raft of reasons for departure is actually too long to list in a forum post. The fact that revenue is declining (actually for the first time in a long time - should tell you enough already) but the Earnings Per Share is increasing (to meet a previous CEO roadmap) speaks volumes for exactly how they treat and reward the talent at IBM.Happy to answer any more specific questions!

Thank you for your reply.I'm not aware about IBM current situation honestly, I think I should collect some more info about IBM financial situation.My question is, apart IBM problems, what should I ask as salary considering my current role (M2 in Accenture) and that I have 8 yrs of experience in management consulting?As I told, I'm not currently working in UK - London and I'm not expert on salary levels there..I've just seen that renting a house is very expensiveI'm not convinced will be convenient for me to change my work and join IBMWhat would you suggest?Thanks again

No problem at all - glad I can be of some use.I don't know what Accenture offer at manager level - I am not quite there yet, with only 3 years of experience.Also visibility of salaries is very opaque within IBM, I am sure you will be offered a higher salary coming from the market than you would be coming up through the ranks internally - as I did.I will give you some guidelines - I think the manager 'Band 8' rate can be from 50-80 (I would check glass-door for better coverage). Given your 8 years experience - as long as it is extensive and with a reputable organisation - I would recommend seeking somewhere towards the top of that band. You can look to make Senior Manager, Band 9 within 1 or 2 years of joining with some focus upon joining, again another 20% pay increase.From my experience at a Consultant level - Accenture offer 20% on top of IBM (at the higher bands I have no idea). I won't go into pro's and con's in detail, but I would say take IBM if you are a family man or someone who appreciates their free time, work life balance is beyond excellent for a consultant and on some projects beyond a joke! Take Accenture if you are more career focused, you are willing to work longer hours, but for more pay and for a better 'brand'.Can't shed any light on the housing situation other than, IBM are very flexible with your 'base location', i.e. where you call home. You will be expected to travel up to 90% of your time - so even if your base is London and you don't feel you can viably live there, rent a house outside of London - you can very easily get by with only spending a week or 2 there in the office a year.

M2 at accenture uk is about £70k + car + bonus

Do u think 75K is a reasonable salary to ask to IBM as Managing Consultant?I saw housing costs are very high in London.Do u think 75K GBP are enough to live in London for a couple?

You can definitely live decently, but if that is the only source of income of the couple you won't be able to "splash out" too much.£75k should more or less mean £4k net if I am not wrong. Consider approx. £1.2k a month for a 1 bed in a decent area (not west or central zone 1 - something around zone 2) plus £300/400 a month for bills & transport, that leaves you with ca. £2/2.5k net to live with, which is ok but not a huge amount for two people.In the end, it all depends on your lifestyle - how much you enjoy going out for dinners, weekends away and such.I would try at least to get a relocation contribution, better if in the form of expenses rather than taxable income.

Thanks!They have proposed a relocation bonus of 2K just to cover temporary expenses to find a flat there.Do u think 2k GBP is enough as relocation bonus in London?They have not still made an offer in terms of salary, they started first from relocation bonus, do u know why??In my opinion it is a very strange behaviuor..

From my experience the comments and salaries indicated on here are correct.From what I've seen, Accenture tends to be a "younger" firm with up or out being enforced. As far as I can tell this isn't enforced at IBM GBS so you end up with quite a different culture and mix of people on the projects.As to if this is good or bad is down to personal preference.