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How do I negotiate a salary?

 
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#0 How do I negotiate a salary?
 
John
22.09.7 00:00
 
I recently took up a role in IB as a VP from a background in consulting. As I saw it as an opportunity to get a leg into the high paying world of IB (middle office) at this prestigious European IB, I accepted a first offer salary that was more than my consulting salary but way below my IB pairs, more in par with Associate pay. They and I know they are underpaying me. There are a lot of justifiable factors (on my side and theirs) that made me accept this salary which I cannot expand on without identifying myself. Based on the factors, I just thought get one leg in and do the negotiation from inside. How do I negotiate this salary at the mid year review? I am concerned they might not even raise it at the review? Do I raise it myself? And how should I go about it if they try gamesmanship and say No when I know the can EASILY afford to pay me far more as they are one of the big European players? I even think they might offer more and hope I am ignorant and be grateful. Do I get slightly blunt and say it as it is ("I think I am underpaid, I have researched industry-wide, so can we rectify this") or is there another way? Or do I get another offer to ensure they want to play ball? Remember they know that I am severely underpaid by as much as 30%.
 
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John
22.09.7 00:00
 
When I said I "think they might offer more and hope I am ignorant and be grateful", I meant they might increase it by 5-10%.And they are quite aware I came in extremely cheap so they could easily pay the additional 30% and be happy with the savings they have made for the 6 months and the savings from not having to increase pay based on percentage from a higher, more appropraite, base.
 
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Another Anon
22.09.7 00:00
 
Timing's not great John! If it's the same German Bank that I work for, then you have as much chance as winning the lottery as getting a payrise. The recent credit crunch has really hit home. All non-essential spend in a lot of Banks has pretty much be stopped until the rest of the year, and it's time to tighten the belt buckles, so to avoid job cuts and to lock in profits that were made in the first half of this year. I'm an ex-consultant myself (made the jump a year ago) and have seen first hand how brutal things have been in the last month. In the matter of a month the whole sector has been turned upside down. All costs are being squeezed. For example, we've gotten rid of contracters, by not renewing contracts which would normally be reviewed without questions asked; complete freeze on hiring across the entire Bank; travel freeze; projects that can be deferred till next year have been done so; negotiation with vendors about payment schedules; kicking out Consultants. We've also seen a reducution in trading limits on certain desks to minimise our potential exposure etc. You name it, the COO's in the Bank have gone to town and I suppose are now earning their money.If I were you, I'd just sit tight until your end year review at the start of next year and things should then pick up, and you'll be in a better position. I had a VP who recently left because he had received a better offer elsewhere, with guaranteed bonus. We would normally have matched that offer in order to keep him, since he is very good, but our hands were tied. Hence, my recommendation is keep your head down until things improve, otherwise, you may find yourself on the list of names to possibly cut in the event things don't improve. I can assure you that senior management across most banks have already had such discussions. Remember last one in, first one out, and also you've mde a move from another industry, so not as much cache as someone who's experienced in the profession and been in the Bank for a while. It always takes a few years to be fully accepted, even if your past experience in consulting is IB. I myself worked for 6 years with IB clients, but at the end of the day I was an incoming MC, and only after a couple of years, through working day-in, day-out across the entire function that I am involved, by getting embroiled in the day-to-day politics etc. am I fully understanding the business and now feel that I truly work in the industry. Hence, to be fair, this is why you're not on a par with your peers.So don't stir the pot. You made the jump, earning more than you would otherwise be making in consulting, and do some good work, earn some money for the Bank and I trust you, you will be well rewarded. Even in bad times, you will be making more than your previous peers in Consulting. I'm a VP myself and I am making more than the Partners at my previous Consulting firm. Best of luck.
 
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longer term planner
23.09.7 00:00
 
It depends on how you wish to play things. If you are doing well and they are profitable, it makes sense for them to give you a pretty big pay rise in the shorter term. If, as is widely felt to be the case, the IB and PE worlds are due to feel the pinch soon, you will be first on the list when the inevitable redundancies kick in - relatively short length of service will make you cheaper to get rid of. In my own case (in a different sector at the time), I was earning less then my peers and ended up keeping my job when they all got "managed out" during a market slump. Although they earned more than me at the time, I have had a consistent monthly income but they had several months with no earnings. Keep channels open, the worm is going to turn soon and being paid slightly less than the others at your level in the same company could end up being to your advantage in the longer term.
 
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anon
24.09.7 00:00
 
OK, all you highly paid IBers on 6 figure salaries, you are all supposed to financial wizzards, how come you are all in such trouble now there is a bit of a credit crunch, why did you not foresee what was coming and take appropriate action?
 
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patchy
24.09.7 00:00
 
Most of them did I believe. Most of the funds had severely depleted their exposure to the financial service industry a while ago, with lots of people shorting NR shares etc. The BBC said that NR execs were still buying their own stock as recently as august which made me laugh. I think the/one of Scottish Widows’ funds took a big hit.
 
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