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Banking - Agencies or Direct?

 
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#0 Banking - Agencies or Direct?
 
Karen
01.03.11 00:00
 
Hello,I'm regularly approached by several agencies (some have been great and some not so much) for other Consulting jobs. I'm at a Tier 2 Firm and specialise in FS/Credit Risk. I do want to move away from my current company (for several reasons) to a challenging, well-paid, long-haul job in the Industry (JPM, CS, RBS, Barclays etc). Does any one have a view how best to approach them? Through agencies? My colleagues have typically gone through the agency route. I have 3 years experience. Could someone please recommend me an agency? Or would I be better off sending direct applications?Thanks all you lovely Consulting folk.- Karen
 
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Karen
02.03.11 00:00
 
Mars? Tony?
 
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Mr Cool
02.03.11 00:00
 
Karen, FS/credit risk is my area. On the run today but will revert with more detailed answer. What sort of £ you hoping for? Is your experience more on the IB side than retail banking?
 
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Karen
03.03.11 00:00
 
Hi Mr. Cool,good to hear this is your area!To answer your £ question - I'm thinking around the 60k mark? This is my most conservative expectation. More would obviously be great but I don't want to oversell and then miss out on the opportunity to get trained/learn more on the job that comes with a slightly lower (even if provisional) grade. Thanks again,Karen
 
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billum
03.03.11 00:00
 
as a starter, couple of good agencies in this space I've used in the past, on both sides of the fence:McGregorBoyall S&H (sandh.co.uk)
 
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Mr Cool
03.03.11 00:00
 
Karen,In retail banking 60K will put you at the middle of Manager level and the low end of Senior Manager. It will be a push to do so with three eyars experience, but to get 60K you wil need to target a Manager position that leverages your credit risk experience. To do this however, I’d say your CV will need to be at least 90% credit risk – it can’t just be your last project or two.More challenging is to determine which aspect of that function you should be targeting? Most retail banks run multiple lines of defence models (you should know this, if you don’t you need to learn it at your MC firm before you start applying for bank jobs). You could work on the first line which would mean either a risk appetite/policy position, an operational management of exposure position, or managing an analytical team that monitors exposure. Jobs in the second or third line will essentially be the same breakdown but with an oversight responsibility.In IB 60K will stretch to senior analyst positions (before Manager) which should makes things easier for you as positions are awarded to those with subject matter knowledge and an ability work very, very hard. You will not need to show that you have applied management level judgement to attain that sort of salary, but you will need red-hot analytical ability. IB risk management tends to be significantly more concentrated in Middle Office (at least culturally), but there are roles that are front line and roles that are oversight. It would help if you have some specific experience of specific asset classes.For both IB and Retail at this level the intake will be 50% direct and 50% through agencies. I would also suggest direct networking through friends is still a good way to go. 60K is not yet a senior appointment, so the overriding motivation is often just to get a decent person in the door with minimal fuss irrespective of channel.I suggest you look at ww.jobsinrisk.co.uk for ads through both agencies and direct employers.In terms of specific agencies the sad truth is that while it is worth registering with any of the ones that advertise as covering Credit Risk (MacGregorB, etc) they rarely do anything with your CV unless the job for you is on their lap at the every moment they see your CV. That means you should be prepared to apply to the same agency multiple times, each time you see a job advertised and NOT assume that they will be considering you because you registered with them.There are no agencies that are better than others – just ones that have a job that is right for you today.
 
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Mr Cool
03.03.11 00:00
 
OI! Tony - did you just delete mysecond post to Karen on this thread?Or did I mess up the submit button?If it was the former, was it because it linked to job ads on another site?If not, I'll repost.If so I'll repost the advice bit without the links.
 
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Karen
04.03.11 00:00
 
Mr. Cool!Thanks so very much for your very detailed and helpful post (the one about the particular 'line of defense' I should be targetting). I think it's still there with the link. Was there another post? One thing your post did drill home was the fact that my 3 years of Consulting experience really isn't enough. My CV is also no where close to 90% pure Credit Risk (there's a lot of operational efficiency, process definition, Regulatory reporting thrown in). Credit Risk is a complex affair and with each financial institution with (probably) varying risk appetites/identification-control-monitoring policies, my task becomes difficult to appreciate these while on the Consulting side of the fence. Then again, exposure to different clients, while in the same broad function might give me enough perspective to make applications meanigful and demonstrate real value I would bring to the Banks. Must hang in here.-Karen
 
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Karen
04.03.11 00:00
 
Billum,thanks for those recommendations.Having a look at them now.-Karen
 
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